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standing press

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:32 pm
by rage
how much do you guys get your head out of the way for the standing press?

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:42 pm
by rage
to expand on this, given the huge response....

I've had some neck problems of late. after some PT I've had some recent vertigo spells.

I noted when doing the standing press with a barbell that I tend to lay my head all the way back and look up to get the barbell path as straight as possible. I've stopped doing this and have more of an arc now - probably less efficient, and possibly necessary for me now.

it occurred to me that looking up may be a technical flaw and I might just be doing it wrong.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:22 pm
by FMJ
I tuck my chin and that seems to be enough. If it gets really heavy I tend to lean back and look at the barbell which kinks up my mid back. Never had a neck problem from presses. I guess this depends on how high you can raise your chest? Kg sou See hunched over you really have to stretch your neck.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:59 am
by Snake Plisken
Rage, good to see you are still plugging.
I do what you do more or less, looking up. (But I am probably a bad example of a good presser.) When I look up, it seems more like a Paul Anderson style, where I bend back some and make it a standing almost incline press.
I have also experimented with pushing the head thru keeping it down or straight like Gordo mentions, but my problem there is somewhat the "shoulder flexibility" issue.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:29 am
by NoShow
I move my head\face and slightly lean back, but as the bar is passing, I move it all back forward. So I end up with the biceps by the ears position.

I did what you do, years (decade +) ago, when I messed up my shoulder, but could press in the manner you do.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:48 pm
by PierreSuter
My head is retracted back and chin tucked until the bar clears my head. The bar goes straight up. I wouldn't press in an arc around your head, that sounds really hard.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:07 pm
by ScottDeeby
Have you ever video'd it? Maybe you picture it as being an arc but it's straighter than you think.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:06 pm
by AP
I angle up about 45 degrees. I recommend cycling in and out of a standing press to avoid neck issues. I've had them in the past and they are not as much of an issue with seated press and seated db press.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:42 am
by rage
thanks guys for the suggestions!

I put some incline press in for fun in the last week to supplement a bit. long time jeff!

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:01 pm
by Spiller
I get my head ALL of the way out of the way.

I retract my head/neck as far as possible and am able to push straight up from rack position. My head is tilted back a little but not much, maybe 20 degrees. Some bend in thoracic spine too, but not much.

Once bar is past nose, I push backwards and up on the bar and lean chest (NOT head) forward as my neck relaxes. My shoulder girdle is very flexible.

I had some neck stiffness for awhile and it really affected my bar path and limited the weight. I would say improving my bar path was worth at least a 10% bump in weight.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:33 pm
by rage
Spiller -

Ever run into dizzyness issues after someone goes through therapy for neck trouble? I had about 3 weeks of vertigo recently. I would get it after the neck traction device every session with therapy.

It's mostly passed now. I wasn't certain that moving my neck back to clear the bar - and the full ROM wasn't irritating the problem further.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:59 am
by Spiller
Yes, the vertigo is coming from your upper cervical spine and they should not have kept doing the traction. No permanent damage tho.

You need to find the repeated motion or sustained position that decreases your vertigo symptoms. When feeling vertigo, you should be able to do something that causes an immediate decrease in symptoms. There are multiple options, often some variation of cervical spine retraction.

So if you do a movement of you neck and do not develop vertigo (or do not increase any vertigo you start with), within 5 minutes, you're OK.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:38 pm
by GTheo
This seems to not be the preferred method, but I start with my head back and bring it forward as the bar clears my chin beard. The bar is directly over my head at lockout.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:14 pm
by rage
I went about a 7-10 days without issue. Did 2 sets of 6 last night standing press. Last night and today mild vertigo is back.

I'll have to try and find what movement reduces it.

Good that you think there wouldn't be permanent damage from the traction.

Good news for me thus far is that I can row, pull down, chin up, incline press, flies, etc - no problems. (and improvements prior to me doing more standing press)

also will do some homework on cervical spine retraction. thanks!

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:33 pm
by Spiller
I would recommend Robin McKenzie's book, "Treat Your Own Neck".

You may be able to find bits and pieces of it online.

There is standing neck retraction and a lying down version if standing version makes you worse.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:11 pm
by rage
Ordered. Thanks!

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:26 pm
by Spiller
You're welcome. Just substitute 'vertigo' in for the word 'pain' in the book. PM with any questions.

Sometimes a small modification in exercise technique can make a BIG difference, so don't give up too quick.

Re: standing press

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:54 am
by stevein7
My birthday 5 Feb, 52. Fired me up to train more seriously, adding calories and dropping off the cardio till summer. ohp is something I have never pursued seriously, and am going to squeeze some kilos out of it.

Anyway, I think one key may be fractional plates? I got 8x0.25k plates second hand.